Blizzard shuts down the popular Nostalrius Vanilla WoW private server

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  1. Hakija

    Hakija Chaos Pony Viking

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    The thing is, you don't have a "right" to the product. You have a temporary liscense, which can be taken away from you at the owners' discretion. You signed a contract agreeing to that when you paid them. So if they shut the server down, you have no right to complain about it, because "your" copy was never yours in the first place.

    If they were tricking people or lying to them, that might be different, but everyone who plays WOW agreed to those terms. It isn't Blizzard's fault people didn't read the contract.
     
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  2. Hollister

    Hollister Fun-Taker Berserker

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    This is the problem with current gaming.

    Back in the day with cartridges you could buy a game and it was actually yours. I could do what ever I wanted with it besides copying it and then selling those copies... Could still sell the original one I bought if I want. The company that made the game also wouldn't come barging into your home taking your game away and then forcing a "New updated" version onto you.

    You bought the product because it was advertised to you the way it was and you wanted it in that form.


    Now it's you buy a game you want, which it is then "updated" to the point it no longer resembles what it once was. And this is totally legal because X reasons.

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    I wonder how the star wars galaxies one gets away with it. other then that it in no form is still published by a company.

    it's a pre combat upgrade.

    actually there are 3 of them.
    http://jupiterforce.org/showthread....laxies-Emulators-Completion-Status-Comparison

    only one that really works is SWGEMU. Maybe they can get away with because a company isn't running any version of it anymore. I might get back into it for that matter.

    personally I think blizzard did the right thing legally but morally i'm not sure. and they certainly could have done it in a better way.
     
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    Hollister Fun-Taker Berserker

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    LOL boogie made a francis blizzard rant video... freaking golden.

     
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    MagnusEffect Administrator Staff Member Jarl SC Huscarl

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    As I've said before, sometimes even when you are right, you can still do wrong (not meaning "you" specifically, Sardonic :) ).

    Even if Blizzard's actions is backed up by their EULA, it is still a dick move. They really handled this poorly. I don't have a problem with them needing to shut it down; a legal violation is still a violation... but now all those players have no where to go. Blizzard basically gave them a giant middle finger and no recourse... and for what? Because some players loved and missed the old version of the game?. Blizzard could have made an official "old skool" server, but they obviously don't care. If they don't want to act like they care, then they've already lost; unlike individuals, companies don't generally have the luxury of telling a large group of people to collectively "fuck off". It's just bad for business.

    I have never played WoW, so I have no dog in this race and I won't defend "gamer entitlement", but here was a perfect opportunity to endear their hardcore fanbase and they completely fucking blew it. It's a marketing disaster. Pissing off six figures of fans of your game is not something you want to do without entertaining other options. Maybe it's a drop in the collective bucket, but it just adds to the pile of other bad decisions made.

    But hey... that's just my experience talking.
     
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  6. Hollister

    Hollister Fun-Taker Berserker

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    The group really tried to work with blizzard to make it more official but blizzard told them to piss off.

    Which is even more disheartening because blizzard doesn't even have any intention to make any legacy servers.


    Most development companies wish they could have the opportunity to inject a hundred thousand people back into there game with just pushing old content out in its original form.
     
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    Maybe blizzard "lost" the code for the original stuff.
     
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    Hollister Fun-Taker Berserker

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    They gave the code out, that's why people can run private servers which just makes the whole situation that much more just a pile of bullshit.

    Grammar edit
     
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    MagnusEffect Administrator Staff Member Jarl SC Huscarl

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    Oh wow. Yeah, that does make it worse.
     
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    So they're ok with private servers, as long as they don't accept direct donations? If so, I'm sure there's a way around that issue. Just separate the server from the donations. Set up a gaming group and solicite donations for "forum maintenance" or something.
     
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    Basically from what I know, they don't care about private servers as long as they don't get to popular or advertised.

    But nostalrius got popular, really popular because it was the game the people wanted to play.

    A game blizzard has no intention giving to people.

    Edit

    Also the code was only given out up to wrath of the Lich king. I could be wrong about that though.

    Only thing I know for a fact is they did stop giving it out when the world changed which was cataclysm.
     
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    this right here is the current state of the game.

    if you like facebook games this new updated WoW is for you.

     
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    Nost did an AMA where they addressed that. They didn't actually take donations. Instead they had a link where players could pay their hosting company directly, and when there was shortfalls they'd pay for hosting out of their own pocket. These guys put a massive amount of time and effort in just out of sheer love of the game so that fans could play content that's not even available anymore on Blizzard's realms.
     
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    Far as I'm aware, Sony basically told them they could do what they wanted, as long as they were free (non-profit) of course at the time it was on the downslope anyway and I think they'd pretty much given up on the venture.
     
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    I remember a time when Blizzard was known for -never- releasing a game on time if it was not completed... WoW has truly destroyed a great company...
     
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    supposedly all the code is their own not sony's. supposedly sony lost all the original code. how do you lose the code for a game that isn't even 20 years old?
     
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    I think it has more to do with activision.

    If you look at the time blizzard was bought to the time there games started going down, it all points to one thing that changed the company as a whole, and that was activision.

    It was something we all knew would happen because this is activision were talking about.

    Wrath of the Lich king was the last expak fully under blizzards own control. Which wrath is said to be the height of WoW.
     
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    In my experience, game devs are less organized than they let on (some worse than others). Also, backup storage drives can fail. It's a combination of factors. It's rare, but such things can happen. I think devs are getting better at it now though because stuff is more backwards compatible than two decades ago... except for consoles, but who needs a console when you have emulators. :D

    If I recall correctly, No Man's Sky almost died before it had started because they had a flood that wrecked the computers they stored everything on.
     
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    Holy shit..

    Thats some good stuff right there.


    hope they actually listen.