BioWare - Anthem

Discussion in 'Other Games' started by gihzmo, Sep 19, 2017.

  1. Hakija

    Hakija Chaos Pony Viking

    The public demo starts today. I'll be on tonight, and I'm pretty sure a couple other people will. If you're still interested in how the game feels, jump on and join us.
     
  2. Tuonela

    Tuonela Well Liked Berserker

    I'm playing right now... frame rate is horrendous for me for some reason right now, hard to play
     
  3. Hollister

    Hollister Fun-Taker Berserker

    May be a few things such as a out of date gpu driver, g sync on, refresh rate hard set which is confusing the engine, game engine hating your current resolution.
     
  4. Tuonela

    Tuonela Well Liked Berserker

    Yea, updated drivers didn't help... standard 1920 x 1080 resolution
     
  5. Hakija

    Hakija Chaos Pony Viking

  6. Denryuu2

    Denryuu2 Made Some Friends Berserker

    Nice. But i just got them where i wanted it. I hope it doesnt mess too much with my currently settings
     
  7. gihzmo

    gihzmo Moderator Berserker

    It will be a completely different client, so you will not have any of your settings. Take a screenshot if you want to save them.
     
  8. Denryuu2

    Denryuu2 Made Some Friends Berserker

    I know it will be, im saying that i hope their changes dont affect how the current settings perform already though.
     
  9. gihzmo

    gihzmo Moderator Berserker

    I know the event on Sunday was supposed to be a teaser, but it was disappointing. I do think it is cool how they can introduce dynamic changes to the world and creatures though.
     
  10. Sardonic

    Sardonic Well Liked Viking

    Based off of my experience with the demo, I would love to see this game be successful, but I do have reservations.

    I found the following review resonating with me, because it echoes the exact views I walked away with about damn near everyting. Specifically, the damage system, gunplay, endgame, and controls.

    Furthermore, I would argue that the creator presents their points with a level of fairness and objectivity that is not overly negative or antagonistic.

     
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  11. Tuonela

    Tuonela Well Liked Berserker

    I wouldn't buy it day 1. I have the origin subscription so I'll basically get it for 'free,' so I'll probably play it a bit from day 1.
     
  12. MagnusEffect

    MagnusEffect Administrator Staff Member Jarl SC Huscarl

    Yeah, I saw this same video. I was hesitant to post it myself, but I'm really glad you did, Sardonic. Allow me to explain:

    As admin here, I feel some responsibility to the community to share "buyer beware" information when I feel it is pertinent to our members. At the same time, I was really hesitant to post this, because I really don't want to come off as someone who is just trying to sabotage any prospects of Anthem being picked up by our community. I still maintain that I WANT to see Anthem succeed and become something really great in that classical sense of what makes a game "great". I want to see EA dial back its worst habits. I want to see a day when EA as a whole is no longer a detrimental influence on the industry. I want them to go back to their roots of being a company that "puts artists first" (that's how they originally got their name).

    But I have a lot of unanswered questions about Anthem. Not the smaller questions like "how do Javelin classes work". I'm talking about really BIG questions regarding ethics and consumer satisfaction. The kind of things that are really hard for me personally to look past. I wish these weren't question I had to ask, but it was EA's own actions in the past that brought me here.

    I feel the title was a little click-baity, but Skill Up's video does a very good summary about a lot of these unanswered questions I have. I agree with Sardonic that it did a fair job of weighing the positives and negatives as much as reasonably possible. The message to take away from all this is that EA, through no fault but their own actions over the past decade, is one of those special cases where we should NOT give "the benefit of the doubt". We should NOT assume anything until we have factual evidence in front of us. Specifically, I think it is still too early to make any definitive decision on whether Anthem is "worth it" or not. The wisest course of action at this point is to "wait and see".

    Remember that famous old saying from Albert Einstein:
    I think the quote fits particularly well regarding what expectations you should have for EA. That isn't because we are being cynical jerks. It's only because it is the only responsible and logical stance to have at this point. Maybe sufficient info will be made available after release? I certainly hope so. But we cannot rule out the possibility it may take longer.

    I think the current situation has less to do with Anthem being a "bad game" and more to do with EA's history finally catching up with them. It is unfortunate that Anthem and Bioware just happen to be caught in the crossfire.

    So yeah, when we post anything here, I hope we can all remember and agree as a community two things:
    1. that we all want to see Anthem succeed fundamentally as a genuinely great game.
    2. that it is totally acceptable (given EA's involvement) to approach this title with a reasonable degree of caution.
     
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  13. Hakija

    Hakija Chaos Pony Viking

    I hear you. I'm not going to try to get people to try it out day one. I fully understand that people have felt really screwed over by EA in the past. But I also remember that the customers managed to change Battlefront 2's monetization system. I think we're finally starting to be heard.

    Now, just to make a point, I'm also going to take things to the extreme, so PLEASE don't take this as a literal example of what I think will/would happen. But if NOBODY gave them the benefit of the doubt and tried it out day one, the game absolutely would fail, period. And the company would be out of business in short order. I know there are plenty of people that would be throwing their hats in the air if that happened, but I still think EA can be saved. They have some really talented developers behind them, and if we show the corporates running the business side that making games ethically does pay off, they'll turn things around. They'll follow the money, however that works.

    So they say they'll make a game with no paid power items or gambling systems? Great, I'll check it out. The instant they introduce paid power items, I'm done. No more money.

    Call me an over-optimist or whatever, I'm fine with it.

    There's a few us of biting the bullet now to see how things work out. I don't begrudge everyone else waiting for a better verdict. Give us a couple of weeks to play it and we'll have a first-hand review for you.
     
  14. MagnusEffect

    MagnusEffect Administrator Staff Member Jarl SC Huscarl

    Yes, I agree. However, I respectfully must suggest a counter to that thought (I've heard it made before) that a more ethical company would never have made that decision in the first place.

    EDIT - Also, its not just this single event; EA has a long history of really shady decisions. This case was just the final straw, really.

    Let us not forget that the change only happened after a massive backlash from customers that ultimately hurt EA's stocks . We can only guess, but I would not hesitate to bet that if the results had not affected EA's bottom line, they never would have changed it and it would have been business as usual in the House of EA. Let us also not forget that EA is actively fighting anti-loot box legislation AND pay-to-win gambling mechanics still exist in many of their sports titles.

    That's a pretty extreme case. Keep in mind that I when I said we should not give them the benefit of the doubt, I was speaking in only general terms (same with the rest with what I was saying). I'm also NOT saying we should NEVER give them the benefit of the doubt. I'm just saying "at this point in time" it is wise to not give them the benefit of the doubt in a "general sense" of the phrase. Perhaps a better way of saying it is just.. you know... wait for more facts to come out. Like I said, there's still a lot we don't know about the game that could make or break it.

    But back to your extreme example, even if they literally had NO pre-orders or day 1 sales. If the reviews came out that the released game was overwhelmingly positive and everyone should go buy it right now... and as a result, the game sold like gang busters on day 2 (again, extreme example), would EA really be losing out?


    Come to think of it... I don't know if I've ever seen you this hopeful for something, Haki. ;)
    Please disregard everything I've said. I really don't want to be the guy to take that away from you. :D

    (all joking aside)

    Bro... I sooo want to get there with you; to reach that place where EA doesn't rule its devs like a corporate shitbag of voltronic proportions. Maybe one day?... Maybe sooner than later? I just need more time.
     
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  15. Hakija

    Hakija Chaos Pony Viking

    I was deliberately making an extreme case to make a point. I said not to take it to literally. :wat: That was meant as an absolute worst case scenario of everyone in the entire world crossing their arms and refusing to even look at it. Of course that isn't going to happen.

    I like redemption stories. If this turns out not to be one, well, it'll hurt, but I had the money to lose and I'll get over it; and it'll be a long time before I even look at an EA game again. Like I said, I am not at all encouraging anyone else to take that gamble.

    And I've actually tried the demo for this, so the monetization is literally the only thing I'm worried about. I already know I enjoy the gameplay.
     
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  16. MagnusEffect

    MagnusEffect Administrator Staff Member Jarl SC Huscarl

    Of course, you are right. My intent was not to belittle your statement. I was just following the same thought. You know.. apples to apples, etc. I totally agree that just having blind hatred for EA is ridiculous by itself, but especially so if Anthem turns out to be really good and made so in a way that is consumer-friendly.

    And yeah, certainly the monetization has me worried too. I'm really hoping EA doesn't pull that recent trend of witholding their true monetization model at release until a month later after most reviews are out. It's a really scummy practice that some others have done.

    I have no strong opinion about this, but also I'm hearing some concerning things about the demo too: specifically that Bioware/EA has said that it represents the final product, but that it also... doesn't represent the final product (I'm am paraphrasing to a large extent here). :wat:

    The very general impression I got is that outside actual gameplay (and ignoring all the bugs), the demo doesn't really represent the final product. Egh.. "wait & see", etc. You get the idea.
     
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  17. Tzeentch

    Tzeentch Bigfoot Hirdman

    I have no choice but to "wait and see" 'cus I wouldn't pay for origin fucking prime if they held my nuts over a fire.


    Edit: It's for quotes like this that I appreciate the disgusted face of that bear on the left.
     
  18. Hepatitis TK

    Hepatitis TK Decorative Flounce Berserker

    Your point is made as elegantly as ever. :lol:
     
  19. gihzmo

    gihzmo Moderator Berserker

    https://www.reddit.com/r/AnthemTheG...te_aiming_and_flight/?st=JRMBK0E5&sh=03573358

    TL;DR - Aiming uses raw mouse input. Flight & Swim controls are improved and more responsive.



    Aiming

    • Raw Mouse Input Fixed
      • We found and fixed a bug that caused the symptom of negative acceleration
    Flight and Swimming

    • Increase Available Range for Mouse Sensitivity Options
      • Flight and swim sensitivity sliders now allow for more than double the range it offered before. This allows different mouse DPI settings (specifically extremely high or low) to better fit into our in-game swim/flight sensitivity settings.
    • PC Flight Box is now a Circle
      • PC Flight Cursor is now constrained by a circle boundary instead of a box. This allows better turn/speed management as the distance away from center dot (which dictates the speed of your turn) is always the same maximum amount in any direction.
    • Added Auto-Centering for PC Flight
      • Added auto-centering behavior on swimming and flying by default for PC.

      • When mouse input stops (after a delay) the crosshair will automatically return to center.
    • Resolved bug with Sprint/Fly on Button Press
      • We’ve resolve a jittering/FX spam issue bug that players would receive when playing with hold-to-fly (rather than toggle) option for flight.
    • Raw Mouse Input is now achievable in PC Flight
      • By setting Flight/Swim Response and Precision settings sliders to 0% you can now achieve raw mouse input.
    • Default Flight and Swim Sensitivity Settings Updated
      • All default PC flight and swim sensitivity settings are now tuned to 1200 DPI instead of 1800 DPI.

      • Default flight and swim sensitivity changed from 50% and 35% respectively, to both being 40%.
        • This is the same as having both set to 100% with our previous sensitivity tuning, and since swimming was lower sensitivity than flight it’s seen an even bigger boost in responsiveness at default settings.
    • Tuned Flight/Swim Response and Precision Default Settings and Curves
      • The defaults are now much closer to raw mouse input.

      • Adjusted defaults for Precision / Response:
        • 25% for flight and swim precision down to 15%

        • 50% for flight and swim response down to 30%
      • Tweaked flight and swim response to ease into the slowing down behavior close to center in a less steep way than before.
    Once the game launches, we look forward to getting more feedback and we are prepared to make more improvements as needed
     
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  20. gihzmo

    gihzmo Moderator Berserker