https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/28/whi...l-restrictions-amid-coronavirus-outbreak.html This stuff was discussed already in January and I at the time felt that all countries should test all travelers and contain any incoming passengers to isolated units near the airports, an enforced quarantine measure. Then all the people started shouting that it's racist, it's political and it's not necessary etc. and the air traffic just kept on going and all manner of experts rushed in to say stuff like quarantine measures don't actually help or will do more damage etc. That said I don't know if in the US they really tried to push it through. In Europe we've always been three steps behind in any measures, I heard Chinese travelers were ignored in Italy out of concern of it appearing racist to target Chinese specifically. I'm not sure if that's the case. Another major thing has been this whole ongoing debate about globalization and the opposition to it and people have had a very high threshold to show that they're for the 'global village' and won't be "like those racist nationalists" and will keep borders open. Many of the elites on all sides themselves were traveling and on vacations up until the moment that borders were closed. I'm just trying to make sense of how all these countless governments were able to systematically fail - from right wing governments to left wing governments, from democracies to theocracies and dictatorships - it seems that except for Taiwan so many places failed. What did Taiwan do differently? They took it seriously right from the start and established a center for informing the public and focused solely on monitoring this thing and spreading as much information as possible, correcting fallacies and keeping the populace informed. Looking at our Finland? The infamous THL started censoring data - after downplaying and ignoring the threat when they started reporting cases by hospital district (per province really) they quickly saw that almost all of the cases were in their Helsinki district and suddenly they announced that they will censor the individual provincial situations so that people cannot track how many cases are in each province! And to this date we don't have a dedicated team focused solely on this disease and we still don't have a centralized portal through which to stay up to date about what's going on and the latest advise and information - they're still relying on the press to handle it based on reporter meetings, only a few decades behind their time really when it comes to modern ways of informing the public and simply having a simple list of facts and an up-to-date situation. -------------- I heard up to 200,000 Finns living in Spain permanently and avoiding Finnish taxes are now wanting to return to Finland as the hospital system in Spain is collapsing. Many of these people will also have the infection and they haven't helped fund our health services. They have been thus far allowed to enter the country freely and travel freely in the country but only after this has been going on for some time are the government taking some measures - planning to have them quarantined to some degree but I suppose it's going to be yet another soft quarantine where you're merely asked not to spread it or so. This all really, really feels like announcing that one is going to visit the toilet after having soiled oneself as opposed to being able to read the fricking headlines and act on the persistent wall of news of this thing spreading and being serious. If this has shown anything it is that politicians across the board share a common trait: Incompetence -------------------- There was an article about Spain, they're preparing 5,000 beds at a convention center and a hockey stadium is being set up as a morgue. In Italy and Spain a lot of people are apparently dying of resistant bacterial infections - the virus knocks down the immune defense and then they catch one of the antibiotics-resistant bacteria that kill them. In Italy and Spain there's been widespread misuse of antibiotics, being administered more as a rule than for a reason for humans and animals. This has contributed to a raise in strains of resistant bacteria and emergence of bacteria that were no longer an issue now having evolved new strains that are difficult to treat. Many bacteria are much more aggressive than viruses but we don't tend to regard them as similar threat because of how easily they are treated with antibiotics. But once they are resistant to antibiotics - hoo boy. Stats: In Italy 11,000 people die annually of antibiotics-resistant bacterial infections, in Norway the figure is 69. The misuse of antibiotics has been discussed for a couple decades now with no effect.
I know Canada is doing 2,000 a month (per person?) For 4 months. And most countries that are doing a stimulus package are also doing monthly payments to people. But the U.S. is doing a measly 1 time payment of only $1,200. Though it seems people who became unemployed due to it can earn up to their salary (and it covers non salaried employee s I think). If the house passes it.
https://dailycaller.com/2020/03/26/...HgmC7uud3T8ZFnqb2hPCanoww4MfdK7Z1g-DhCT71gvp4 Basically Mexicans were protesting and blocking the border (on the Mexican side) to keep Americans out.
Trump did say he was going to build a wall and Mexico would pay for it. I don’t see trump lasting long in office with the garage he keeps saying. Such as saying New York doesn’t need the amount of ventilators Cuomo is asking for but is around half the cases in the US. Saying the USA will be back to work by Easter yet surging past any country in case numbers.
Let's try and keep this thread as apolitical as possible, please. Keep it to reported cases, country/state policies/lockdowns and stuff like that. Leave the bitching about specific individuals to the pundits online.
Governor Cooper (north Carolina) ordered shelter in place/stay at home for the whole state (a few counties already had) till April 29.
Dallas Police say they will no longer respond to calls about theft because of the coronavirus. The only person responsible for your safety is you.
Of the crimes I know they are not responding to is theft, vandalism, and vehicle break in. I only know these because there is a video floating around with a officer stating such. Im sure they will still respond if the crime is in progress. With that being said police officers do not have a duty to protect but that has always been the case.
So they're not responding in person when there's nothing they can actually do but make the person feel better about them being there.
Yeah from 2006 to 2010. had my load planner certification though that expired years ago by now. 2010 was a hell hole of a year with the marines pulling out of iraq at the time. Had to do a gear turn in going from 95% to 20% in about 5 months. Had to fully rebuild our inventory list because the one we were given was garbage with only be around 15% accurate. We ended up having around 300% gear that we were supposed to have, but looking at it I dont see how we would have been able to function without most of it. List was over 12000 items all with individual serial numbers, was a nightmare. I still had to do my normal job too with sending people and equipment places, inspecting shipping containers, HST pickups, sending out emergency gear on flights within hours when it normally takes days. Only medical personnel are being recalled as of right now but logistics support should also be up in priority. They would recall people that are on ready reserve first before me though. CDC could be getting authorization to quarantine off New York, Jersey and parts of Connecticut.
If they really wanted to stop this, martial law and you guys handing out rations door to door in your kit would really stop the whole thing in ~3 weeks, though it would have to be maintained longer just to make sure that there's not an asymptomatic in-cell contagion hopping at the slowest possible rate, say, in a residential flat one guy on the lowest floor has it and it still keeps hopping from floor to floor. The extreme range would take ridiculously long before it makes through the whole building and would be very unlikely - but just pointing out that without testing it's hard to know. I just hope we can ride as we are while laying siege to the filthy capital and hunker down in the current manner until the vaccine is finished and enters full production after which it's just a linear completion time until we are happy to remove all of the current limitations. Which is the end goal - unlike what I'm seeing, all manner of spartan barracks communists crawling out of the woodwork saying "hoo boy! This is it, you are now all going to have to accept that we're going to live like this FOREVA!" what's wrong with those guys anyway? Don't answer. It's an age old philosophical question - why do idiots act like idiots? It's funny that some people are getting their kicks out of this situation and are immediately trying to convince everyone that this is somehow great.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries In general the number you'll want to look at for a good estimate on the overall success or failure of containment is not the quantities - obviously if Vatican City has the same number of cases as India or China it is *not* doing a great job and vice versa. What you should look at is the Total Cases / 1M people and also the country's rank relative to the World Average. That's not all, the time of the first case is also important as it tells of how long there has been since first exposure to current situation, some countries might have two months of difference between first exposure and current situation so obviously the one with a longer exposure will have been dealing with it the longer time. Population density is of course a factor to the rate of spreading but at the same time it is up to the politicians to be experts on their respective country's unique features and special needs and habits. To me as I have family in both countries the comparison between Sweden and Finland is interesting, Finland being exposed only two days earlier on January 28th and the countries being otherwise similar but for population density. While both countries have been stressing the importance of individual discretion Sweden has kept many schools and kindergartens open for everyone whereas Finland quickly closed all but the kindergartens and 1-3 grades while insisting that even with these everyone who can should keep their children at home to a great effect, majority of people are abiding by it. Finland also quarantined the capital just now and has closed bars and many public places while in an article from two days ago Swedes were casually still hanging out in pubs and at sports - all of our sports venues were closed already. So, now we're seeing the rates for the two countries at: Sweden 366 / 1M Finland 220 / 1M Also, while Sweden has almost exactly 2x the population of Finland the new cases were as following: Sweden +253 Finland +54 And cumulative deaths: Sweden 11 / 1M Finland 2 / 1M I could be wrong but to me it looks like being more strict pays off: since viral infection is a mechanical process it results that actions that limit mechanical transmission have direct results. If everyone had been sealed off at airports for 40 days regardless of test result but being directed in separate groups based on interaction with those tested positive we could have stopped this at the border - anyone leaving the airport's quarantine facilities would have had several weeks of negative test results and a quarantine period with no interaction with anyone who tested positive. With this double condition I don't see how it would have made it inside the borders past the airport quarantine. Correct me if I'm wrong.
The virus spreads from human contact. So as long as humans have freedom of movement the virus will also have freedom of movement. This is why China shut down everything. This is why they forced people to wear masks while outside and only allowed to get groceries. The very least amount of human contact so the R0 was brought to well below 1 so the virus was eventually starved from not being able to infect the next person or persons.
The capital is in lockdown. 16,000+ vehicles made the permitted crossing from the capital during the first 24h of quarantine. My friend asked if there's any point at all to the quarantine when so many are given special permissions to leave - and the whole act of giving almost three days of advance warning of the closing of the border during which an unknown amount of people fled the capital. That's not how you limit the spreading of the virus... That's more like "I gotto pee but I won't" "I peed myself, should've gone when I could" "I've got a job interview coming up, I'll call them up that I had an accident but I'll tell them that I'll go get cleaned up after it"
