!!SPOILERS!! Star Wars: The Force Awakens !!SPOILERS!!

I didn't read the past 10+ pages but I was thinking if anyone picked up on the trivia that Kylo and Snoke are not Sith? Kylo belongs to an order called Knights of Ren and Snoke's Dark Side knowledge comes from a different 'school' or tradition than the Sith.

Since force sensitive people could appear practically anywhere and there wasn't a universal dating app for all force sensitive people there are many traditions studying the use of Force. Snoke belongs to some tradition that focuses on the Dark Side of Force, I don't know much of what it's like but I do know it doesn't necessarily have the same dogmas as Sith have such as 'Rule of Two'.

Also it's really cool that while some people were hoping for non-Force stories that we're getting them too and Force user stories.

I personally never understood the idea of
"Greedy brewers, making so much booze because they only want to make money"
If you can't handle booze, don't drink it!

I'll rather have a movie every year than another 20+ years without one. It's not like someone makes one great movie and then everyone stops making movies and we had a special ornate altar in the living room with that one movie there for if we ever decide to watch a movie.

 

I have been saying saying all along that stylo ren at least was NOT a sith and that snoke probably (99%) was not a sith either. I actually like that they are keeping this more in line of light vs dark like the original trilogy instead of turning it into a jedi vs sith like the prequel. actually i think technically you can still be a jedi and use the dark side (probably would not be in the order though). it'd be difficult but as long as you are using your powers for others and not solely for yourself you are still pretty much following the jedi doctrine.

 

Could have sworn the knights of ren are a subfaction of the sith that broke off from the traditional sith teachings.

 

Knights of Ren teamed up with the Wizards of Stimpy.

 

technically speaking there aren't really any 'dark side' powers or 'light side' powers, Yoda could whip out some force lightning if he was of a mind to and a sith could potentially use the force to heal, likewise if it was to his benefit. However, unless you're trying to jump start a tractor, force lightning isn't exactly a tool the light side can often turn to without some serious moral compunctions, if you're looking to kill someone, the saber is far more efficient about it, and if you're not looking to kill them, then force lightning is equivalent to torture, not exactly a light side prerogative. Really though it's something the dark side tends to turn to because it's flashy, violent, painful, and doesn't require any outside materials, I'm sure someone somewhere uses force levitate to smash people with 50 ton vehicles or whirl about sawblades in a scything action through whomever happens to be nearby, which would be just as dark as force lightning could ever be, but it's not the power that is dark, it's the mind behind it. I suspect at some point a sith has likely tortured people to the point of death and then healed them simply so he could do it again, as well.

 

There was mention in one of the books of a group (not force users) who would put someone in a bacta tank and run electricity through the bacta till almost dead and letting them heal as torture so wouldnt surprise if some force users did the same thing with the force.

 

Yet Yoda is hiding on Dagobah near a place where according to him the Dark Side is strong.

"That place… is strong with the dark side of the Force. A domain of evil it is. In you must go."

There's a theory that Yoda actually uses the cave's presence to mask his own Light Side aura.

To me the Dark Side / Light Side was always not about particular force power but about the mental state and intention.

Just so.

Quite the difference in stopping a boulder from smashing people and hurling a boulder at people. Being capable of moving the boulder in itself is neutral, just like being able to use a light saber is neutral.

On the other hand there is inherent goodness about healing something, it is helpful. Not that it couldn't be used to heal a wound so you can stab someone again.

However that is also dismissing that the Force itself might have a personality of it's own. This is hinted towards with the prophecy etc.

If Force itself has a personality (especially if it is effected through a poorly understood type of organisms) then it could be that the mental state and intention could be prevailing aspect to how well one is able to use Force. For instance it appears that anger gives strength for light saber combat, fury and spite would appear to power Force lightning. I wonder if moving objects with Force is also affected by intention. Essentially you're moving an object with an intention.
"Watch the X-Wing rise", Yoda is trying to educate Luke. I bet if Luke got really pissed it would be easier for him to grasp the strength and ability to toss the X-Wing at Yoda - this is probably what Yoda means by how Dark Side is faster. It requires less effort to muster anger and fury for powerful effect. Light Side requires a lot more practice and doesn't result in 1:1 same abilities but other abilities that cannot be directly compared for usefulness.

 

the force itself can be dark or light, and as you said, the powers can have a decided bent one way or the other, but a force ability is generally directed by the individual. There was a couple of episodes in the clone wars series where they encountered force entities directly representing the light and dark sides of the force "The Ones", there's no doubt that the force is both light and dark, constantly shifting back and forth on a balancing point, but it's more of a primal nature than good or evil, strong emotions aren't necessarily bad, it's just harder to both keep a rational state of mind and use emotions, so Jedi choose the zen path of tranquility and control over the easier path, it's easier to lift the x-wing when you're pissed, but you may miss the fact that your buddy just stepped under the statue and squash his foot when you let go. (yes, that is a segue from Star Wars to Spaceballs) it's easier to make mistakes when emotion is in control, regardless of the intention. The Jedi have learned the hard way many times that while not always true, emotional excess more frequently leads to darker paths.

 

Kind of like when Anakin attacks Padme in his anger:

2:40 -> "You're with him, you brought him here to kill me!" (Not really thinking things through or listening to what the others have to say)

 

exactly, which ended up in a spiral of guilt leading to Darth Vader *nod* (though technically, he was already Darth Vader, according to the Chancellor, he doesn't really become Vader until after he believes he killed Padme and their children.

 

That's more of a fit of rage... You know how pissy people can be when they let emotions run wild... Go watch some cheaters or jerry springer.

 

Also known as really bad writing.

 

i'll just leave this here.

 

It was like watching a pissy over emotional teenager getting all mad because his girlfriend is hanging out with his best friend, which the reason they are together is to have a intervention with him because hes been using drugs. So then he gets all mad and with him being high he doesnt listen to reason, all he thinks is his girl friend and best friend are now together so he has to go kick his best friends ass in. because.... he took his girl yo..

but thats just what i got out of it.

 

You know how many times it has been asked on Quora "why was the acting so poor on prequels"?

In all the different wordings etc..., the computers crashed trying to determine the amount of dissatisfaction by the prequels.

Also the related topics such as "what was George Lucas thinking..." "...why did the prequels suck so bad.." etc.

I loved the fact that George Lucas was able to have all the time, money and freedom in the world to just make whatever his vision was without any oversight and then he blew it all up in an epic display of how the mighty have fallen.

Also the thing about when he was viewing the movies in theater once they were finished and he facepalmed hard there after seeing how a 30 second clip sees Qui Gon be killed, some Jar Jar and Anakin blowing up stuff with a fighter.

 

the sith and the dark side were never capable of using the force to heal others (or themselves) because such manipulation of the force requires a certain degree of empathy for the other individual, which they, being self-serving, are basically incapable of achieving. they are able to basically draw on the life force of another through their fear, suffering, and anguish, but that can only give them energy enough to sustain themselves through the force for a period of time, it doesn't actually heal them because reasons.

the real reason i suspect ren and snoke would potentially not be sith though is that the sith line died with vader. since darth bane instituted the rule of two there had never been more or less for any serious period of time. so unless snoke was the bastard apprentice of vader or the emperor, that tradition died and maybe snoke has to much reverence for them to consider himself sith until he achieves some level of respectable power or something? who knows, haha. regardless, i'm diggin the storyline they're setting up, and consider me a fan of the theory that the giant space lazorz with a glaring security issue are all part of the long-term plan. the dark side is all about the long-con, deception, and manipulation after all. might be tough to work into the movies since they tend to be lighter on the lore, but still a fun conspiracy theory

 

I think in shadows of the empire (possibly the only legends book that could be pseudo cannon because its between 5 and 6 and about them looking for frozen han, luke becoming a knight and building his new lightsaber) vader is trying to use the dark side to sustain himself so he breath without the mask. Kinda healing but he can only truly do it with luke for a long period (he thinks). By himself he could only manage a few minutes.

 

Typical galaxy can have 20-200 billion stars.

There are a lot of Force sensitive people in a galaxy.

There were something like two Sith.

Now, you live on some backwater world and there may be three people who are Force sensitive there. They start trying out their skills after learning of them, trying to become better and writing down what they uncover.

Now, later they come across holocrons of the other Force user 'orders' describing the Force and it's various aspects.

On known core worlds there was often a practice of screening Force sensitive people but it hardly reached everywhere and who is to say there also couldn't have been competing screenings by smaller groups or even just Force users of various orders sensing out for nearby Force sensitive people and bringing them to their own order?

Especially the potential capture of holocrons etc. can mean that a parallel lineage of Force users with their own traditions can have equivalent powers as Sith or Jedi.

 

https://stormtrooperlarry.com/2016/05/15/kylo-rens-password-problem/

 

there was also the Nightsisters, which also directly relates to Darth Maul, whom according to canon is in fact, still alive, and could also qualify as a sith lord with the fall of Sidious.