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  1. Dihm

    Dihm Speaker of the Word Staff Member Gothi SC Thane

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    Okay, I think I got the pricing down, if you could do a double check on this for me Magnus.

    Buying a Pack Hunter, which is a Clan Mech. 30 Tons

    Base Price: 3,206,840
    Sending in for an Overhaul. This Overhaul will cost 900,000 (30 tons * 30k).

    During this Overhaul, all of the following will happen:
    1. Add Enhanced Imaging Displays (Free Lancer equipment)
    2. Swap Armor to Ferro: 300,000 cost (30 tons * 10k), no additional cost due to being in for Overhaul
    3. Add ChemJel Armor: 200,000 cost, no additional cost required due to being in for Overhaul
    4. Add Lancer Power Armor: 400,000 cost, no additional cost required due to being in for Overhaul
    5. Add Torso Cockpit: No cost, no additional cost required due to being in for Overhaul
    6. Add Neural Interface: 2,000,000 cost, no additional cost required due to being in for Overhaul
    7. Engine Upgrade and up-tonning to 35 tons: 2,700,000 cost (30 tons * 30k * 3 for XL engine), no additional cost required due to being in for Overhaul
    8. Clan Tech tax: 600,000 (30 tons * 20k) due to working with Clan Tech, charged once due to being a single Overhaul.
    Total Cost for Mech and Overhaul: 10,306,840 C-Bills

    Gonna start working on a version of the Pack Hunter in MegaMek Lab as an Omni that is compliant while you look that over.
    :gleetopus:
     
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    MagnusEffect Administrator Staff Member Jarl SC Huscarl

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    Looks good except you overcharged yourself a little. Since the cost is applied at the time before the upgrade is done rather than after, the Engine + up-ton upgrade will be (30 tons * 30k * 3) = 2,700,000 :). Same goes for the Clan Tech tax (30 tons * 20k) = 600k.
     
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  3. Dihm

    Dihm Speaker of the Word Staff Member Gothi SC Thane

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    Oh, okay, I figured it would be charging what it was changing TO, but I'll take it! That puts the cost at 8,306,840.

    Here's what I got built out for my Prime config.

    Pack Hunter Alpha Prime
    Clan experimental
    35 tons
    BV: 1,524
    Cost: 10,111,950 C-bills

    Movement: 7/11(14)/7
    Engine: 245 XL
    Heat Sinks: 11 [22]
    Cockpit: Torso-Mounted Cockpit
    Gyro: Standard Gyro

    Internal: 58 (Endo-Steel)
    Armor: 115/119 (Ferro-Fibrous)
    Internal Armor
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    Center Torso 11 17
    Center Torso (rear) 5
    Right Torso 8 13
    Right Torso (rear) 3
    Left Torso 8 13
    Left Torso (rear) 3
    Right Arm 6 11
    Left Arm 6 11
    Right Leg 8 15
    Left Leg 8 15

    Weapon Loc Heat
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    Improved Heavy Medium Laser LA 7
    Streak SRM 4 LA 3
    Improved Heavy Medium Laser RA 7
    Laser AMS HD 5

    Ammo Loc Shots
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    Streak SRM 4 Ammo LA 25

    Equipment Loc
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    MASC RT
    Remote Sensor Dispenser HD
    Active Probe HD
    ECM Suite HD


    Carrying Capacity:
    One battle armor squad
     
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    MagnusEffect Administrator Staff Member Jarl SC Huscarl

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    Heavy Lasers are dope. Nice little knife fighter you got there.
     
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    Dihm Speaker of the Word Staff Member Gothi SC Thane

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    That's my thought as well. :D

    And I still got that ER PPC lying about...

    Pack Hunter Alpha A
    Clan experimental
    35 tons
    BV: 1,818
    Cost: 9,692,522 C-bills

    Movement: 7/11(14)/7
    Engine: 245 XL
    Heat Sinks: 11 [22]
    Cockpit: Torso-Mounted Cockpit
    Gyro: Standard Gyro

    Internal: 58 (Endo-Steel)
    Armor: 115/119 (Ferro-Fibrous)
    Internal Armor
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    Center Torso 11 17
    Center Torso (rear) 5
    Right Torso 8 13
    Right Torso (rear) 3
    Left Torso 8 13
    Left Torso (rear) 3
    Right Arm 6 11
    Left Arm 6 11
    Right Leg 8 15
    Left Leg 8 15

    Weapon Loc Heat
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    ER PPC LA 15

    Equipment Loc
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    MASC RT
    Remote Sensor Dispenser HD
    Active Probe HD
    ECM Suite HD


    Carrying Capacity:
    One battle armor squad
     
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    Dihm Speaker of the Word Staff Member Gothi SC Thane

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    Oh god... 11,005,798 C-bills remaining. #FirstSphereProblems
     
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    Dihm Speaker of the Word Staff Member Gothi SC Thane

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    Okay, so I have plenty left for a second Alpha. Magnus, with the Neural Interface add on in place, would my Handler be able to pilot this using the Enhanced Imaging Displays only, if need be, as a backup?

    Probably best to save the remaining 2-3 mil? I'd like to pick up some Battle Armor for SpecOps, if you have any recommendations there. Or is the Lancer Armor 'good enough'?

    Kinda digging the Afreet!
     
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    Solis Obscuri Well Liked Hirdman

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    Ooof, not a particularly auspicious history there... http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Operation_ICE_STORM

    As for the lancer armor, it classifies as PA(L), but does not contain any sensors. Presumably it also does not have stealth armor, either. For most PA(L) suits standard infantry small arms seem to be the most they can carry, though a few have modular AP weapon mounts. Armor protection varies depending on design, with most able to withstand small arms fire well, and the more heavily armored (~450kg) ones able to take hits from support weapons.

    From digging through TacOps, Total Warfare, and StratOps, I can't find any specific rulesets for PA(L), so either it's buried in another supplement I don't have, or it just functions like other battle armors with specific abilities according to its record sheet.
     
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    Dihm Speaker of the Word Staff Member Gothi SC Thane

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    It just means that the design was worth using, not just by the designing Clan but by two others
    ;)
     
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    Dihm Speaker of the Word Staff Member Gothi SC Thane

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    Boy, swapping over to Improved Stealth Armor drops the BV to shit. Drops down from 439 to 293 for a Point for some reason.

    Afreet Medium Battle Armor Valhalla
    Clan advanced

    BV: 293
    Cost: 3,927,500 C-bills

    Movement: 1/1/4

    Internal: 5
    Armor: 25
    Internal Armor
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    Trooper 1 1 5
    Trooper 2 1 5
    Trooper 3 1 5
    Trooper 4 1 5
    Trooper 5 1 5

    Weapon Loc Heat
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    Swarm Mek Point 0
    Attack Swarmed Mek Point 0
    Stop Swarm Attack Point 0
    Leg Attack Point 0
    AP Gauss Rifle (Body) Point 1

    Equipment Loc
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    Battle Vibro Claw (Right arm) Point
    Battle Vibro Claw (Left arm) Point
    Jump Booster (Body) Point
    BA Stealth (Improved) (Left arm) Point
    BA Stealth (Improved) (Body) Point
    BA Stealth (Improved) (Right arm) Point
    BA Stealth (Improved) (Left arm) Point
    BA Stealth (Improved) (Right arm) Point
     
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    MagnusEffect Administrator Staff Member Jarl SC Huscarl

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    pm me your email. need to give you access to you character folder
     
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    You're spending 3.9 million C-bills... on a 557k suit of battle armor. Why not just get one of the Void variants?
     
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    Dihm Speaker of the Word Staff Member Gothi SC Thane

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    Well, it isn't as good, and that price is for 5? I wouldn't trust the MegaMekLab price either. That's just from the copy/paste. I threw that in to show what I'd built. :p
     
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    Dihm Speaker of the Word Staff Member Gothi SC Thane

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    Crap, forgot to include the Neural Interface 2mil cost in my Pack Hunter, that puts it up to 10,306,840 C-Bills per.

    I think I wanna save up my remainder for a Stooping Hawk. Magnus, how do the existing OmniMechs work for variants? Pretty much all of them have weapons in their torso slots for one thing... Also, a lot of them have weapons in their variant packages that I wouldn't have access to based on Reputation. I'm GUESSING how it works is this: I buy a particular mech at a particular variant package. Say, a Stooping Hawk C. I have access to the C variant now. I only have access to the other variants that I have the Reputation for?
     
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    Dihm Speaker of the Word Staff Member Gothi SC Thane

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    A potential goal point for a Stooping Hawk? The 'big brother' of the Pack Hunter Alpha. Essentially just an up-sized version. 20 tons heavier, almost identical. Shitload more expensive, few tons more armor, and that's it, hahahaha. Not really worth the cost at all for the investment. Pack Hunter Alpha is a way better design rather than trying to get a 55 tonner to do a 35 tonner's job.

    Stooping Hawk CHROME
    Clan experimental
    55 tons
    BV: 1,785
    Cost: 19,103,685 C-bills

    Movement: 7/11/7
    Engine: 385 XL
    Heat Sinks: 10 [20]
    Cockpit: Torso-Mounted Cockpit
    Gyro: Standard Gyro

    Internal: 91 (Endo-Steel)
    Armor: 182/185 (Ferro-Fibrous)
    Internal Armor
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    Center Torso 18 27
    Center Torso (rear) 8
    Right Torso 13 20
    Right Torso (rear) 6
    Left Torso 13 20
    Left Torso (rear) 6
    Right Arm 9 17
    Left Arm 9 17
    Right Leg 13 26
    Left Leg 13 26

    Weapon Loc Heat
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    Improved Heavy Medium Laser LA 7
    Improved Heavy Medium Laser RA 7
    Streak SRM 4 RA 3
    Flamer LA 3
    Laser AMS HD 5

    Ammo Loc Shots
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    Streak SRM 4 Ammo RA 25

    Equipment Loc
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    Active Probe HD
    ECM Suite HD
    Remote Sensor Dispenser HD


    Carrying Capacity:
    One battle armor squad

    EDIT:
    Another question. Sick of me yet? How do Heat Sinks work in the 'no use of Torsos in the OmniMech world'? Can we put heat sinks in torsos, as long as we aren't adding weaponry? Cause arm and head slots sure are limited.
    :unamusedwhale:
     
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    Stoop Kid is a great mech. I was looking at it for a while but didn't have the funds for what I wanted. I know that if the engine is large enough you get 'free' slots in there for heatsinks so don't forget about those. I know you get 4 at that size but I'm uncertain about the fifth. How much money did you start with again? I'm going to take a look at some mechs and build an insane thing given your level of funds.

    Also how the hell did your total to that come to 19million? Shouldn't be anywhere near that expensive.
     
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    Dihm Speaker of the Word Staff Member Gothi SC Thane

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    Cause XL BRAH. It's a god damn massive engine. 385 XL. Plus Endo and Ferro. It's essentially an Assault Mech without the heavy duty frame or weaponry.

    I'll probably end up leaving the engine untouched when I finally get one and do something more sane, leaving my Pack Hunter as my speedster.

    Stooping Hawk C1
    Clan experimental
    55 tons
    BV: 2,113
    Cost: 8,711,258 C-bills

    Movement: 5/8/4
    Engine: 275
    Heat Sinks: 10 [20]
    Cockpit: Torso-Mounted Cockpit
    Gyro: Standard Gyro

    Internal: 91 (Endo-Steel)
    Armor: 182/185 (Ferro-Fibrous)
    Internal Armor
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    Center Torso 18 27
    Center Torso (rear) 8
    Right Torso 13 20
    Right Torso (rear) 6
    Left Torso 13 20
    Left Torso (rear) 6
    Right Arm 9 17
    Left Arm 9 17
    Right Leg 13 26
    Left Leg 13 26

    Weapon Loc Heat
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    Improved Heavy Medium Laser LA 7
    Streak LRM 5 LA 2
    Streak LRM 5 LA 2
    Streak LRM 5 LA 2
    Improved Heavy Medium Laser RA 7
    Streak LRM 5 RA 2
    Streak LRM 5 RA 2
    Streak LRM 5 RA 2

    Ammo Loc Shots
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    Streak LRM 5 Ammo LA 24
    Streak LRM 5 Ammo LA 24
    Streak LRM 5 Ammo RA 24
    Streak LRM 5 Ammo RA 24

    Carrying Capacity:
    One battle armor squad
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    Stooping Hawk C2
    Clan experimental
    55 tons
    BV: 2,216
    Cost: 8,203,633 C-bills

    Movement: 5/8/4
    Engine: 275
    Heat Sinks: 18 [36]
    Cockpit: Torso-Mounted Cockpit
    Gyro: Standard Gyro

    Internal: 91 (Endo-Steel)
    Armor: 182/185 (Ferro-Fibrous)
    Internal Armor
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    Center Torso 18 27
    Center Torso (rear) 8
    Right Torso 13 20
    Right Torso (rear) 6
    Left Torso 13 20
    Left Torso (rear) 6
    Right Arm 9 17
    Left Arm 9 17
    Right Leg 13 26
    Left Leg 13 26

    Weapon Loc Heat
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    Improved Heavy Medium Laser LA 7
    Improved Heavy Medium Laser LA 7
    ER Large Laser RA 12
    ER Medium Laser RA 5
    ER Medium Laser RA 5

    Equipment Loc
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    Targeting Computer HD

    Carrying Capacity:
    One battle armor squad
     
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    Try the Rabid Coyote.

    Starting price at 6 million, clan 55 ton but not an omni like the stoop. You can do all the crazy shit you did with the stooping hawk, 7/11/7 easy, but insert a torso cockpit as well, and then convert it to an omni variant if you still feel like it afterwards.

    You can also consider MASC for 7/14/7 but you'd need to drop the streaks... which would probably mean dropping the flamer at that point for another imp. medium laser to keep your short range punch. It comes with ECM installed and the LAMs will fit as well. Stock has it at 12 dbl heatsinks which should let you fire the heavy medium lasers, but that LAM will run it hot if it goes off.
     
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    Or you could go 7/11/7, 2 imp heavy medium lasers, 2 atm-6's for range with a ton of ammo, and have the LAMs and the ECM. 16 double heatsinks though would risk running hot again if the LAMs went off. You'd need to use only one ATM6 in tandem with the Heavy medium lasers once you got close enough if there's an enemy missile presence.
     
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    Okay, I think I just found something good, but I have to go to class. I'll play around with the design tonight when I get back and share it with you.
     
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