NO SPOILERS - Star Wars: The Force Awakens - NO SPOILERS

Sad for you.

 

That sucks. God damn idiots who spoil good stuff. Yes i know im being nitpicky but it was still a good movie. It moved along well. It never got boring.

 

Luke was an amazing pilot because, like all force sensitive people - trained or not - he uses it unconsciously to boost his reflexes. Anakin was able to do this at the age of 9 without even knowing the force existed. I can easily believe Luke was able to as a teenager.

 

Probably some is that avoid playing force users in any game too simply because they are OP. I prefer the games where there are no force users at all. Probably stems from the fact that the force is a horrible magic system. Has no limits.

 

So the party on endor at the end of episode 6 couldnt have happened?

 

Death of the Ewoks? Good riddance.

 

wait. if everyone on endor died when the death star exploded then it could be that luke who escaped the death star is so stricken with grief that he is hallucinating episodes 7-9 and is in a mental institution. so 7-9 are not canon. SUCK IT DISNEY.

also george lucas cant science.

 

Not exactly.

Let's take a look at that scene again. Notice at 00:38 seconds in. You thought that was a sun set/rise? No. Thats atmospheric entry of Death Star chunks.

 

I agree.


Also what I'm gathering from this discussion:


Everyone agrees the episode 7 is one of the greatest movies of all time.

Why some people try to fight this is for various reasons

- The Force. It's an essential part of Star Wars universe. However, some people like to pretend it didn't exist and only want to stories with characters who are as detached from it as possible. But that's kind of like watching stories set in Twilight universe without vampires and werewolves. While it may be argued to be more enjoyable, it sort of stops being that related to the main stories.

In fact it appears that in such a case Star Wars itself is not for these people just want Twilight without teenagers, vampires and werewolves don't really want Twilight.


- The canon and Expanded Universe. I recently read that Lucas has not read any of the Expanded Universe himself and sort of looks down on them with main concern being that they follow canon. The issue is that canon itself has changed according to Lucas's whims and he has had to create things like listing various sources in different categories of canon, movies being the highest form of canon and also using RetCon methods, saying "oh, yea, that thing.. oh there's an explanation for that".

Since EU has been built over 40 years or so, some people are deeply emotionally invested to it. Then it was announced that because the EU set such strict limits to the episodes 7-9 it had to be given up as being canon in order to free the movie team up to make the best movie they possibly could with minimal constraints.

Now, whether they succeeded or not is not the issue. The issue is that people were told that EU is canon and that it did what it's name implied - expanded the universe beyond movies and there was a whole team overseeing that it stayed canon. Suddenly it is announced that it's not canon. Some people can't let this go and thus can't really enjoy the movie(s). They feel angry because no one asked them, it was just authoritatively announced. "Suck it up".



Some Star Wars fans were subjected to horrible cruelty and they can't just enjoy the new movies as a result. At the same time other people are just not that much into Star Wars main story lines that are all about how the Force sensitive 'one in a trillion' characters shape the fate of their galaxy.

 

Unfortunately they didn't need to evacuate the planet

Indeed, it's not as simple as "oh, debris, you're all dead". Since the station was on stable high orbit it is possible and likely that a large portion of it's mass was left on various nearby orbits as well as the original orbit.

Also, debris could be raining on Endor for decades or hundreds of years to come, possibly longer. The initial falling debris would also be likely but a tiny fraction of the bombardment that would follow.

 

I never saw the EU as the same level of canon as the movies because there was stuff that was contradictory. I saw it as a pseudo canon. The whole chip thing about the clones turning on the jedi sounds like a cop out. I prefer the version given in the republic commando books where order 66 is one order in a list of 100 or more contingency orders.

the force itself i'm fine with i just don't like hows it's used lazily to solve problems. i'd prefer it if was more in the lord of the rings style. like it's there but it's not used to solve everything. because most people can't use the force.

 

I don't know, force = mass times velocity. Guesstimating by the mass of the Death Star and the speed of that explosion that was potentially a lot of force. The chunks do not have to strike the planet, just them burning up in the atmosphere would cause enough global heat and/or greenhouse effect to ruin their day.

 

I ordered the new novels, Aftermath and Lost Stars.

The canon is dead. Long live the canon.

 

There are several novels that contradict other novels. And since there are different authors writing them, the characters all have slightly different personalities and speech patterns from book to book.

I have no problem calling it an alternate version or alternate universe or whatever. There are still some really good and really terrible stories in there to enjoy/hate.

 

yeah. also on a good number of the books (i don't think all of them) lucas was consulted on. so he was involved with the ideas and such even if he never read any of them. i mean whose going to argue with at least 5 different authors saying they talked to lucas about x idea. like luke marrying mara. and i believe the solo children (jacen and jaina at least). those i know authors have said they spoke to lucas. pretty sure whenever asked he goes "no one ever consulted me"

 

Like how a bunch of ghosts slaughter everyone?

If they had any antimatter onboard by chance then a part of the base would have been annihilated entirely into energy.

As for hitting the moon, it's a small dot on the sky viewed from Death Star II. Most of the stuff is not going to hit it and not everything will be accelerated the same - chunks are of various sizes etc.

 

I am aware that history has such examples, however the movies depict these otherwise grand and well trained/equipped/motivated armies as being demolished by *Ragtag* forces. You don't see their fleets ill grant, because those fleets are busy being destroyed when ever they show them selves. That's what the battle of Endor was all about. It wasn't about Skywalker, he was just an opportunity that the emperor looked to exploit. The point of that fight was to lure out the remnants of the otherwise demoralized fleet that was always running away when ever it met the Imp's in battle. The battle of Yavin IV on the surface was not even a contests, the Imp's rolled over the rebel positions and forced a general withdrawn in hours of the initial assault.

As for the planets, yes some supported the rebellion, they did not dare do so openly, lest they suffer the same fate as those before. Alderan wasn't the first to be interdicted/assaulted, it was only the first to be destroyed utterly. As for the Ewoks, I don't know how the imperial's went from being in total control of the entire rebel force with them captured and ready for execution to being in full retreat in less than 20minutes other then *reasons*.

I have read history, and many of those examples you have cited. I am aware that unique individuals are unique for a reason, they have an otherworldy effect on those around them and the events that become history. That is not the vast majority of events in human history however, they are rare and unique to their specific moment. The Star Wars universe has it happen at least 5 times a movie. Forgive me for failing to believe that.