at the moment you're going to have a bad time hitting anything with cannons. Hopefully it'll be fixed, right now hits just don't register for a lot of people. Although they did reduce bomber turret speed (turning) and 50 cal effectiveness which should reduce bomber spam.
Yeah hopefully they hotfix the hit detection stuff soon, I couldn't hit anything today. So are you saying the tanks are more inaccurate? I hope not :/.
tanks didn't seem TOO bad. maybe a bit more inaccurate at range, but the pz. IV-c can't hit shit at range anyway.
the tanks seem to have more variance in where the shot lands, but in planes you'll hit the opponent but nothing happens, way more infuriating
god you people want a historically accurate game then you complain when the tanks are inaccurate which is historically correct.
Not all tanks we're inaccurate during the war. I can understand adding this to some tanks but not all. But the planes need to be fixed for sure.
http://forum.warthunder.com/index.php?/topic/173939-update-06092014-1413039/ Seems they just fixed it. This kind of explains how the Yer-2 I hit FOUR TIMES with my Panzer III the other day didn't die.
tanks in WW2 tended to be pretty damn accurate. Whether the gun could actually hurt the tank it hit is another matter, but sight technology and barrel accuracy was pretty good after, say, 1941-42. As an example, the main gun on a Ferdinand in 1943 could reliably hit (and kill) targets 2km + away, and after that the target would be too small and the crosshair would take up more space on the sight than the targeted tank.
well under combat tanks were not accurate at all. I'm seeing stuff about 11 shots being fired for every claimed hit (only one shell was a possible hit) and alot has to do with the sighting system. russians and germans had good sights while americans not so much. haven't seen much about british tanks. I'm also seeing stats of 50% hits. So they may have been accurate in tests. also what I'm reading is that the russians had far better accuracy than german tanks. and this is not on any gaming site. not back to work.
depends on if these are shots on the move or not. For sure german tanks should be inaccurate on the move; their suspension sucked and they didn't have stabilizers. I would be very skeptical of Russian tank crew claims of accuracy. Soviet tank crews were notorious for claiming huge numbers of enemy tanks killed, where the actual results were very light. During the Battle of Kursk Soviet crews (I don't have the particular tank unit name in front of me) claimed to have killed more Tiger and Panther tanks than were actually being fielded by the entire German offensive front ahead of them, per day. While the guns and sights of the tanks themselves were very good, the crews were terribly trained for the first couple years of the war, and Soviet crews really only started to be competent in combat post-1943.
All that said, I think the game has hit detection and accuracy for tanks right about where it feels right to me. actual gun effectiveness and tank armor modelling is wrong in a few places, but Warthunder in general unfairly skews towards Russian equipment, so meh.
My inaccuracy claim came after I started using my Panzer 4 C for the first time... I forgot to look at the stubby barrel for explanation.
Did you ever hear about how they tried to discredit the German's top fighter ace multiple times? The soviets never had a good track record of being truthful. one example: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erich_Hartmann Seems like some things never change. Also, the Pak 88 was used in some of the German tanks or similar versions of it. I'm pretty sure the German guns were way more accurate than their Russian counterparts... you know... German efficiency, etc.
There is plenty of info out there on the subject of tank accuracy. Problem is like Mr. Khazanov, most of them are very poorly researched and no one bothered to check with the crews them selves. Most of those accuracy claims an kill records are from the POV of some one who is in a living hell trying to make things that don't make sense, make sense. In addition to keeping track of the correct number of shells of each type left, the number of belts of ammo for each machine gun. When the sights were last calibrated etc, etc, etc. Human error exists, but at that time, any tank moving wasn't going to hit the broad side of a mountain on anything but a fantastic day. Standing still, a crew just out of tranining, they might hit out to 1.5km, maybe. A crack crew that has been in multiple engagements and learned all the tricks for their machine they could hit 1/4 shells out to 2.5km based on reports ive found on the WT forums. Several Tiger crews reported hitting targets out to near and beyond 3km, but lacked the penetration to harm the targets at that range. Also it should be noted, the PaK 8.8 and the AA 8.8 are different, in not only ammo. But also the muzzle velocity and penetration values.
Also apparently a huge number of shells were expended on tanks that were already dead because you know combat. And shooting a big gun that goes boom. So I assume alot of those kills are the same tank that may have been killed at least twice
Well to be fair, a tank can be "killed" and still fire back. IE: Every one but one unlucky SOB is dead, and he is determined to kick your ass. Or the engine is done for, but they are hand cranking that turret any way to return fire. Etc.
And if the exterior of the tank is pretty untouched while entire crew is dead or so much damage that it cant be used I can see how it could be discerned as alive
