US Ground Forces!!

Discussion in 'War Thunder' started by Kleethor, Oct 24, 2014.

  1. MagnusEffect

    MagnusEffect Administrator Staff Member Jarl SC Huscarl

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    Odd... almost immediately after I made the last post, I found this as well:

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    It looks a bit more legit, but the art and text doesn't look right. Then again, these were posted back in early 2013... hmmm.
     
  2. Dihm

    Dihm Speaker of the Word Staff Member Gothi SC Thane

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    LOLOLOL, the Panzer II Luchs leads to the Tiger? Nope, that's fake
     
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    Vargyr Well Liked Thrall

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    Dem Arty doe. x_x

    And IFV's!?
     
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    Sheogoraath Worst Person in the Universe Viking

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    I would have liked to see a dedicated assault gun tree for the Germans, separated from the tank destroyers. Also, the halftrack-mounted 88 "bunkerflak" would have been cool.
     
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    KillBox Well Liked Thrall

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    Yurp - those have been around for a while they where fan-made by somebody in the Russian community of WT.

    That said, he hit most of it on the head except for arty (which doesn't exist atm) and getting the progression lines wrong. Also, they added other nation's stuff as well (note the French line with the Brits, as well as the Italian line with Germany.

    Also, as you can see, the Japanese are clearly fucked until the Navy arrives. Well, okay, not completely as they had good guns, but shit ammo, shittier tanks did not a ground-force make. 1st Generation Shermans were technically superior than even late-war Japanese tanks (not in all aspects - like the Germans, the Japanese took their incredibly high-velocity AA guns and turned them into tank guns).

    Also, will kill to have a M8 Greyhound as a gift premium or something, but with the 50-cal and the 37mm both working. :D
     
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    Sheogoraath Worst Person in the Universe Viking

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    Armored cars/halftracks would be awesome. I'd love to have a Puma or a Staghound, or an AEC.
     
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    SheepHugger Well Liked Viking

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    I like the Ho-Ro tank. Horo means 'hoe', 'whore', 'slut' or 'bitch' in finnish. Perfect name for a tank.
     
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    Indeed. Dingo and Diamler I!
     
  9. Aspius

    Aspius Well Liked Hirdman

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    I really like japanes tanks and i have spent some time reading up on the japanese tanks and tank doctrine.

    Something that needs to be said before going any deeper is that the japanese military was split up into the Navy and Army and they were competing against each other for resources.

    Before WWII, Japan was focusing on capturing China and going towards central Asia. During this time Japan was one of the leading nations in tank development. As WWII got closer Japan switched focus towards the pacific. With the switch of focus, the Navy started getting more resources and the army lost priority. At that point the Japanese tank development slow downed as focus was placed on the ships.

    The japanese learnt alot from the Battle of Khalkhin Gol in 1939. For example they learnt about the shortcomings of the 57mm used by the Type 97 Chi-Ha as they were outranged by the BT-5 and BT-7. After the battle they started development of a 47mm High Velocity gun which was finished in 1941.

    During the early stages of combat in the Pacific, specifically the Guadalcanal Campaing, the U.S. Marine Corps M2A4 light tank fought against the equally matched Type 95 Ha-Go light tank. Both were armed with a 37 mm main gun, however the M2 (produced in 1940) was newer by five years.

    Nothing mayor happend with Japanese tanks until 1943 which was the year the Japanese first encountered the Sherman. Development of the Type 3 Chi-Nu started in May 1943 and was finished in October 1943. It didnt enter production until 1944 becuase of the low priority of tanks. At that time most of the Japanese industry had been destroyed so they could only produce a small number of them.

    The most successful use of Japanese tanks happend during the Battle of Slim River.

    So, Japanese tanks should fair well all the way up to the Sherman. The Type 3 Chi-Nu should be about equal to a Sherman. During the Korean War the japanese were using M24 Chaffees and late model Shermans.
     
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    Yamato and Musashi. Two stupendously expensive ships that were absolutely worthless in the war as the battleship doctrine died in the wake of WW1.

    Imagine how many fighter and bomber craft japanese would have received for the same investment - at least hundreds of aircraft per ship, possibly more.
    Since Japan's fate was resolved in air over Pacific it would have been foolish to invest heavily into tanks. Having had lots of advanced heavy tanks wouldn't have made any real difference, at most americans would have had to land more tanks per island but for the outcome of the war tanks were not the way to go. Carriers and better fighters and better bombers would have actually mattered.

    I think everyone is happy with Japan's choice back then to invest such a large percentage of their military spending on battleships and other non-carrier capital ships. Better choices wouldn't have ended the war differently, instead the war would have dragged on longer before ending and more lives would have been lost. US did after all manage to fight a war on two fronts and still amass superior strength on both fronts simultaneously. With all of the allies turning towards Japan and japanese inevitably running out of fuel and eventually being hit by nukes.. their position was hopeless to begin with.

    I think it was admiral Yamamoto who said that he'll give americans a good fight for a year, not promising anything beyond that. By "44 IJN had massive difficulty to actually move any of their fleets due to fuel shortages.
     
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    Theoretically, yes, the Chi-Nu with the Type 3 75mm gun (which I know to be an AA gun tipped on it's side) is actually more than a match for M1A1's and M1A2's - the issue arises when you ask - what next? Tier IV and V are either going to be filled with Lend-Lease equipment (which is usually reserved for Premiums) or with project tanks. The Type 3 gun on the Chi-Nu will perform basically the same as the 75mm M1 main gun, special ammo notwithstanding, but the Type 5 that was supposed to be mated to the Chi-To is by far and away inferior to the Panther's 75mm KwK 42 L/70, or the American 76mm M2/M3 guns.

    They're going to have just as tough a time sorting WT GF Japan as Wargaming did.
     
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    Didn't matter whether they used the material to build ships or planes or tanks or giant dildos. They didn't have enough fuel to run any of it. That's the whole reason they went on their south pacific campaign, and in a large sense it was the US submarine fleet that won the Pacific war by cutting off what fuel they could get from their south pacific conquests.
     
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    Yes, yes and yes.


    Its straight forward up until tier 3 but thats it. You wont find any tanks that could go beyond that. When it comes to project tanks and so on, there are very few and very little is known about them. The last known tank is the Type 5 Chi-Ri and it was production ready.

    They will have to use american tanks as that is what they used after WWII. The Type 61 is out of the question as it comes after the cutoff date.

    Here are the values for the gun that was used on the Type 4 Chi-To and Type 5 Chi-Ri

    75 mm Gun Type 5
    Shell Weight: 6.615 kg
    Muzzle Velocity: 821 m/s
    Kinetic Energy: 2229 kj
    Historical Pen: 75 mm (1,000 meters) goal (met), 80 mm (1,000 meters) expected.
     
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    looked real quick and the japanese battleships that were NOT yamato class did quite alot. and the U.S. battleships did alot. now I'm wondering why the two yamato class ships did practically nothing. actually if I remember correctly one of them (maybe both) never even fired shots in a naval engagement (as in fired with the purpose to sink a ship) the entire war. were the two ships just never in a position to be in a naval engagement? because alot of the other battleships were in naval engagements. did japan just not put them in a spot where they could be threatened directly by opposing navy's ships? that is a huge waste of the most powerful battleships ever built.
     
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    I could be mistaken, but most of what big gunboats did in WW2 was shore bombardment, they never really got into range to engage any other ships. While battleships were "present" at battles like midway, coral sea, and Leyte gulf, they didn't get to do much except be vaguely mobile AA emplacements. This was especially true in Leyte Gulf (if memory serves), where the Japanese had assembled the last of their sea power (mostly gunships, including the Yamato), and tried to ram it down the throat of the Allied fleet, only to be cut to bits by American air power. The Japanese we just too slow realizing that the way sea battles were going to be fought had changed forever, and were too committed to their big showy super-battleships. This Si weird, since they were pretty instrumental is showing the world just how much the way those kinds of battles would be fought from now on had changed.
     
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    My hazy memory is telling me that it was a strategic decision to keep them close to defend the homeland. Until the last desperate gamble anyway
     
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    So are these big Japanese battleships going to be included in the US Ground Forces tech tree?
     
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    American tanks are boring. shermanshermanshermanshermanshermanshermanshermansherman
     
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    US ground forces:

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