I am wondering..Any of the Americans offended by this. http://www.ultimategeneral.com/blog.../blog/our-game-has-been-removed-from-appstore Btw, Awesome game. Try if you not played it.
I own it on steam and its a really good game. It's sad that apple have done this but i'm glad that the developers are not going to change anything in an attempt to get back on the appstore.
the whole thing is stupid. the flag people are complaining about is an army flag. it was never a government flag. it never flew over any confederate government building. also the north was almost just as bad as the south. there were no "good guys" whole thing is pissing me off because most people know the myths more then anything that is true. but no i'm not offended by the flag. i'm offended by people's feeling of entitlement and their stupidity.
Shh, we have to destroy the trappings of the past which serve as reminders of history, so that it can be rewritten.
interesting. so canada could have become a part of the U.S. maybe. not likely. all of a sudden I went "I wonder about canada during the american civil war. because there is no way they were not affected".
The American Civil War is a fascinating period of US and World History, arguably it is the first time that the USA showed itself capable of competing with the big dogs in Europe (excellent examples being Britain's hesitance to recognize the South as a legitimate nation for fear of Economic and Social backlash in New England) and the Rise of the US military machine in earnest. On to the original thread purpose... I really wish they hadn't done this as it's fucking stupid (and generally I have been annoyed by other companies as well) suffice to say it's kneejerk and only serves to band aid a much larger problem in the states...
The blog has disappeared from the site. I never understood why Nazi flags and such were such taboo. That effectively combats against awareness of real history. Then again, every country is highly revisionist with past. USA included. Every single country and all of them do it on a constant without blinking an eye. The only difference at most is what these countries have done that they're trying to tell differently. Whereas some countries deny outright genocide USA is mostly simply claiming they did everything that everyone else did. All the while the men bickered like high school girls, burst into tears, cried, fought and were involved in a love triangle. Still not as bad as some countries saying "no we never tried to wipe these people out! No way, we were trying to help everyone. There was free chocolate even!"
perception is the biggest issue with everything, if people would more easily accept that, then maybe they might find some more common ground rather than focusing on what they perceive to be offensive.
Sympathy does not equal "I want to join you" Funny thing is, Canada was a major destination for all the slaves escaping from the South... so I'm thinking the main reason the Maritime's, and especially Quebec, were sympathetic, was mostly because of the separatist leanings. Quebec hasn't really stopped wanting to separate, they just demand too much
You're perfectly entitled to have a confederate flag on your car, or outside in your yard, or in your house. But I have a problem when a state's government explicitly endorses a regime that brutalized a group of people based on race. Saying "its about history, or pride, or heritage" ignores the fact that the people under that flag were explicitly fighting to continue a repressive, vile system. just because you ant to ignore the bad parts of the history of a symbol doesn't take those parts away, nor will people who see you carrying it around or supporting it ignore those bad parts. In the specific case of South Carolina and the flag over the state house, that flag was put up in the 1950s to protest de-segregation, and has EVERYTHING to do with racism and nothing to do with the "proud heritage of the confederacy". Speech is free for the individual, but the state needs to be unbiased and not continue to fly a flag that, for a large portion of the population, is a symbol of repression and terror. All that is aside from the inherent call to violent rebellion, secession, and treason that the confederate flag symbolizes. Edit: but yes, Apple is being silly.
By the way British Empire was heavy on slavery until it's abolition in the 19th century (iirc) and they also did their share of genocide and atrocity all over the world. So British Union Jack could just as well be a vilified symbol but a lot of people are proud of the history of the empire etc. Then again during the time that slavery was common it was just that, common. Serfdom for instance was slavery so all the countries that had serfdom practiced massive levels of slavery. (notable exception Scandinavia where serfdom was not established) Also, practically almost every human being belongs to a country that has at some point engaged in: -slavery -war of aggression -genocide etc.. So yea. I totally get that it's possible to wave the confederate flag as a sign of 'rebellious' south, as opposition to capital and 'northern states', as a sign of local patriotism and so on without accepting the slavery part. Though it's difficult to tell apart those who reject the slavery bit and those who think their ancestors had the right to keep slavery, eg. think that the slavery was just fine.
first national flag of the confederacy. current state flag of georgia current state flag of mississippi (which all residents voted to keep. recently. as in after the charleston shooting.) my mistake. they voted to keep the flag before the shooting thus why they won't change it (or something like that) so it might change it might not. i'm all for remembering stuff (good and bad) and being able to display the flag but I think it should not be on government property (unless it's a state funded museum or park though by park I mean an old civil war fort.) the knee jerk reaction is a bit insane to how far it is going. also plenty of union generals were slave owners (and proponents) and nothings happening to stuff of or named for them. Grant was one of them and probably the best recognized. interesting thing. Delaware (a slave state that stayed in the Union) didn't ratify the 13th amendment till 1901. Now I doubt there were any slaves in the state after 1865 but technically slavery was still legal in delaware till 1901. so my stance on the civil war right now is both sides were shitty when it came to the issue of slavery and both were avoiding it. neither was fighting over the institution of (whether it was legal or not) till pretty much the last year of fighting. South was fighting for states rights (involving slavery like slave owners wanting to go on vacation in the hamptons couldn't bring their slaves. rights like that.) the north was trying to keep the union together. there may have been individuals fighting to end/keep slavery at the beginning (or even whole states) but neither national government was fighting for that. emancipation proclamation? solely a military maneuver aimed at reducing the confederacy's manpower and strengthen the unions.
Yup. It was made a propaganda issue and mostly after the war to consolidate victory or some such. Nevermind the atrocities committed by union troops against civilians. Aye, that post about history education being simply a means to create misplaced patriotism towards what is practically a corporate conglomerate proposing itself as a government is pretty much spot on. In history young men die because Leader Group Blue wants to replace Leader Group Red. Blue vs. Red forever. "Fucking blues and their long lasting atrocities against Red" "Those reds are all the same!" Sad thing is I constantly fall for that myself. Because them fucking Greens, but Cyan is the worst.
Well, Flags are just pieces of cloth. They have no intrinsic value except that which people place on it. I personally feel no allegiance to any flag
