Parley with the Gorettis

Discussion in 'Campaign - Skjaldborg Saga' started by MagnusEffect, Jul 25, 2015.

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We stand outside the towering walls of Castle Goretti. How should we deal with them? (read OP first)

  1. They're dirtbag mobsters; sneak in and slit their throats in the dead of night.

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  2. We've heard unsettling reports from the periphery; take their deal if it means leaving here faster.

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  3. Take their offer and then double cross them; Trojan Horse style.

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  4. Meet them halfway; take the ceasefire, but refuse their help. We can always deal with them later.

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  5. Screw all that! We don't negotiate with bandits! Lock an' load! We attack at dawn!

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  1. Sheogoraath

    Sheogoraath Worst Person in the Universe Viking

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    As I said before, I agree with Skwi. Lets renegotiate some of the terms. If the Goretti's don't hold up their end, or if we decide later, we can smack them down.
     
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    I'm thinking a renegotiation, include the Class D repair facility though, so long as they vacate the premises or we retain a roving patrol. We'd have to check for sabotage too, and keep a high security alert.

    So, Skwi's list, plus Class D Facility.

    My 2 cents.
     
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    Personally I pretty much expect that any terms we would take with them we would be double crossed one way or another. Goretti seems to just want us to eliminate his competition then to be rid of us (his new frenemy) in as quick a manner as possible.
     
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    The more I think about it the more I'm recognizing Beta Lance as the only weakness in our position. Take the deal (or renegotiate as Skwi suggests, either way), get Beta back, and what do we lose? A few goretti thugs for 1/4 of our active Mechwarrior force? That's a great deal in our favor. Once Beta is back in the fold and ready to rock, all we need to do is choose a time to strike Goretti first. Question is, when would the best time be to double cross? I'd say we let 1 turn of "peace" pass, so that we can use Goretti's repair/rearm(hehe) facilities, do the prisoner exchange, debrief Beta, then go for the double-cross kill. Changed my vote to reflect my support of the double-cross.
     
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    Unless, of course, they double-cross us first. I wouldn't be too surprised if they tried too. Negotiating in the first place disagrees with me, but if it helps get stuff done a little faster, then it's worth it.
     
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    If we are going to negotiate with them, we need to out some pressure on them. Is there something critical we can capture and ransom for a better position? Can we threaten an artillery strike on some critical holding?
     
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    our negotiating strength is in the fact that we are in a position to begin to siege their HQ. We're in the position of strength here already. We have some of their holdings and a shitload of their guys/mechs. I have no problem getting a better deal out of them, using their help to finish off the Martillos, then turning around and smashing Goretti.
     
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    I feel like our immediate first step needs to be getting Beta free, and our first hostile action should be swift and decisive against their HQ. If we strike a smaller holding to improve our position, it might dissolve the parlay completely with Goretti, and endanger Beta even more.
     
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    But we can get Beta back WITHOUT violence.
     
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    i say that we decline.

    If we accept and then double cross them our reputation will take a hit. Which will make negotiations harder in the future.

    Our primary goal should be to find intel on where bravo is being held. In the meantime we start performing raids on their HQ to weaken them.
     
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    at the very, VERY least we should take the prisoner transfer. it's the easiest and least dangerous way to get Beta and their mechs back.
     
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    Our reputation with the mob families we intend to kill to the last man will take a hit... on this isolated pirate world that *may* inexplicably become cut off from the rest of the innersphere in the near future. More so than usual I mean. At the very least we should trade for beta.
     
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    Besides, it'd take months for news of this to reach the MRBC, and by then it may not matter...
     
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    MagnusEffect Administrator Staff Member Jarl SC Huscarl

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    Thanks for the responses guys. I will try to clarify as best I can:

    Just wanted to be clear on this: those that actually posted something did fine. My previous messages of "hurry up and vote" was more directed at those who had not. I just needed help from you more active members on spreading the message. :)

    The Class D facility is a freestanding building within the Goretti compound. Boss Goretti's intentions is to have only 1 of our lances at a time actually using the facility. He does not feel comfortable (a rightly so) on letting our whole force through the gates all at once. To change this will require a "difficult" negotiation check.

    No way to know for sure what he is thinking, but it can be reasonably argued that after we're gone (one way or another) he will go back to fighting a cold war with the Martillos. With the loss of the Harbinger and half of his forces, he is in a severely weakened state. The fact that the Martillos have better connections with mercenary forces based out of Beaconlight means that after we are gone, he will be at a distinct disadvantage.

    However, we have a proven track record of kicking ass. If he helps us, he is almost certain we will leave after the the Martillos are gone... and that will make it all the easier for him to take full control of the region... even Beaconlight. So from a logical perspective (and he is a logical man), he has more to gain from helping us than the Martillos.

    Beta Lance is Goretti's biggest card for sure. If we do anything rash, he will kill them for certain. However, he is willing to give them up and the rest of our members in exchange for all of our prisoners. He believes offering a ceasefire and access to his improved repair facilities is reasons enough to work with him. details on this arrangement are negotiable.

    (HINT: upgrades still cost money)

    It is a possibility. Remember too there are consequences regardless. The partisan forces that have been working with us all this time hate both crime families. They see us as their saviors. Although Boss Goretti has extended the ceasefire to the partisans as well, they see the ceasfire as an attempt to sabotage their momentum and sow division within their ranks. To them, Goretti was their oppressor before and as soon as we leave, he will return to his old ways. For us to ally with the Gorettis now would be the ultimate betrayal... but also potentially the fastest way for us to reach our own goals. The question is how much are we willing to sacrifice to reach said goals?

    Unfortunately, there is nothing left to take (see "HOLDINGS" section for details). Boss Goretti knows that even if we refuse to return his holdings, he will eventually take them back after we are gone. We could shell his place for a couple of weeks, but Goretti Castle is well fortified; it might as well be stones we threw at him. Also, while we have significant supplies for a protracted siege, a waiting game would not be in our favor. Besides the fact that it would give Goretti time to recall his dropships for attacks on our positions, there are the Martillos to consider. As we speak, the Martillos are licking their wounds and rallying reinforcements. We do not want to wait long enough for them to sandwich us against Goretti Castle.

    Correct. Boss Goretti is counting on us being more concerned with getting off planet than trying to wipe him out. He's hoping to sweeten the deal enough for us to decide open conflict with him is no longer in our best interests. Behind the walls of Goretti Castle, he's hoping he is a tough enough nut to crack that we won't want to bother.

    Correct. He's hoping to show a sign of good faith by releasing them unharmed and unspoiled along with the rest of our members.

    In the immediate future... and on Novo Cressidas specifically, this is very likely. However, due to us being in Star's End and this mission not even sanctioned by any official authority, it is unlikely the rest of the Inner Sphere will ever even hear about what we did. Remember that we were "hired" by Lily Morgana originally... this was meant to be a fairly simple "treasure hunt". We were hired as protection... which may have seemed like overkill at the time, but supposedly the Harbinger and its treasure horde was to make it well worth it.

    Well... regardless of hindsight in what happens in 3050, yes, you would still be correct. This is Star's End. In the end, most won't hear about our exploits here and of the few that do, very few will actually care.
     
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    Given this new info, I'm game for renegotiation of the current terms. I really don't feel comfortable with a single lance of ours inside, one at a time. He might just decide to wait till our Heavy Hitters(aka Delta Lance) are within the compound, then pull the double cross and capture a second lance of equipement and mechwarriors.
     
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    I've been thinking about this some more, and frankly I don't much care if these partisans hate us or Goretti ends up in control of the planet, scumlord that he is. We aren't here to be the Heroic Liberators, we're here to get paid. I want to get Beta Lance back and get this treasure trove Goretti says he has the location for, and then get off this rock and back to civilization. Lets attempt to get some better terms, get Beta Back, kick the shit out of the Martillos, get some loot, and get the fuck out of here. The partisans can eat a dick for all I care about them. We'll keep an eye on Goretti and at the first sign of him stabbing us in the back we annihilate him.

    We're mercenaries for crissakes. We're not supposed to be the white hats.
     
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    I second Sheo's idea.
     
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    Yar. I know the Major has some kind of personal stake in this thing but it's getting too deep.
     
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    exactly. There's plenty of poon in the galaxy, Major.
     
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    no prob. for anyone else, make sure you guys are changing your vote in the above poll.
     
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