Rogue One

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  1. Lardaltef

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    right? the jedi and the force are kinda boring (not to mention that the force is such a broken magic system. can do anything as long as you know how).
     
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    knowing how isn't really the thing, really, it's more about knowing you can, having no doubt that it's within your ability, and that you are right to do so. Difficult to accomplish on the fly.
     
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    So.. random thoughts it would certainly make sense for the female protagonist to basically end up being Rei's mom if she gets captured at the end of Rogue One, gets subverted into an Emperor's Hand (maybe Mara Jade maybe not) ala the forest whitaker character's quote "What will you become?", for a time after Return of Jedi gets with Luke (maybe covered in another Star Wars Story movie after the second one in 3rd trilogy following Force Awakens ep 8 (this backshot would prolly be the ideal movie to prolly throw Thrawn into also) then in aftermath of the kylo ren massacre of the jedi academy either goes undercover/spy to go after darth plagueis or whoever or gets resubverted by plaguis (possibly both) and luke is forced to hide/abandon their lovechild on a desert planet prolly cause he can't bear to face fighting her (the resubverted emperor's hand) and would be too much of a beacon if he didn't go hide in a remote location that had some force ripples. Or the emperor's hand mom, jinn/mara character hides her before going off on spy/undercover mission herself. it gives a couple really good explanations for Rei being dumped anyhow, and the timing of the movie, when the older character may end up being faced more as initially a subverted villain type in the episode 8 movie just works.
     
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    I think they actually already explicitly said the rogue one protagonist is not Rei's mom.
     
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    I think except for the 2 or 3 who appeared in previous stuff everyone is new and no one is related to anyone in the original trilogy. mon mothma is supposedly in. There is a theory that palpatine had a daughter and she is rey's mom (with luke being the father) and she left for some reason (possibly before luke knew she was pregnant thus does not know about rey). I still think the theory that is the best is that rey is a clone of luke from his hand he lost on cloud city (damaged genome so that's why not an exact clone) and the researcher who was rey's "mom" (may have actually carried rey) ran away to jaku. who was trying to clone luke? the first order. so luke could still be her "dad" but this also explains why he doesn't know her. plus someone has to have gotten the hand. Pretty sure it was holding the lightsaber and we know the lightsaber was recovered.
     
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    Chewbacca is actually a Sith that is wearing a Wookie costume.

    But not just any Sith. He's the Darth Plagueis, who is the father of both Rei and Anakin, while Luke is Anakin's son and the father of Rei - see Rei's mom took samples from both and spliced them up to create a super force user of her child.

    Han Solo was the bastard son of Windu, that explains how he has such a great luck, Han Solo is also the father of Kylo Ren, who is the son of Leia, who is the daughter of Padme and Anakin.

    However, Padme is not really dead and is now with Darth Plagueis who masks himself as Chewbacca. Real Chewbacca was killed by him long ago when Chewie and Han were separated during one of their adventures.

    Yoda used to be married to a Wookie and is actually the father of Chewbacca without knowing it. Hence his strong link to Wookies.

    Did Obi-Wan really die? Did R2-D2 secretly give Anakin the idea for building C-3PO?

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    Based on this image Lando also shares a secret family link with Bobba Fett. Lando is in fact a runaway clone trooper but doesn't know it - he was smuggled out of the facility before learning to sing Mandalorian chants. This is why he has such a broken background.

    It is said that the real reason Luke ran away was because he almost killed his father and fell for his sister. Fearing Oedipus Complex he had to hide himself but Leia couldn't contain her emotions as well and used Republic resources for her personal ..manhunt. This sisterly love was the true reason for Han's and Leia's breakup which they neither could ever admit.

    Essentially, if you look hard enough all the Star Wars characters end up being part of one big family tree, forming history's most famous unknown dysfunctional family! And Jar Jar, who is actually a Sith Lord sits at the center of it all, all the threads point to him. If that is actually a he. The real shocker will be when it turns out that Jar Jar is a she - and the mother of Darth Plagueis.
     
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    Star Wars: Why was the Republic so adamant about fighting the Separatists? If they wanted to secede, they should be allowed to, right?
    I know it was all controlled by Sidious, but I felt the Confederacy's issues were legitimate, and they'd have seceded with or without Sidious' involvement.

    If they felt the Republic was corrupt, and systems wanted to leave it, then they should be allowed too. Forcing them to stay seems wrong.

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    Eric Lowe, Star Wars scholar and Historical European Martial Arts instructor
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    American Civil War). Is it morally wrong to compel a state that wants to leave your republic to stay, through military force? Well, plenty of people have thought so in real life. Let me ask you this: why can’t the Republic do morally wrong things? Why can’t the Jedi be party to morally wrong acts?

    Second, in answer to the underlying forces On one level, the answer to this question is “Because Darth Sidious and Darth Tyrannus managed to manipulate both the Republic and the Confederacy of Independent Systems into going to war with each other.” But that’s a shallow answer, and ignores the fact that the war made sense withoutmanipulation.

    If you pooh-pooh the fact that the prequels are about taxation and trade routes, as some are wont to do, then you’re going to miss this. This is the so-called “Separatist Council.”

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    Notice something about it? Who’s represented there? The Trade Federation, the InterGalactic Banking Clan, the Corporate Alliance, the Techno Union, the Hyper-Communications Cartel, the Commerce Guild (also the Quarren Isolation League, but they aren’t important for present purposes). Mega-corporations. Classic dystopian sci-fi mega-corporations, complete with world-class private militaries.

    Now, why would mega-corporations be interested in supporting a secessionist movement?

    First, pause for a moment and recognize that the Republic even has mega-corporations. Mega-corporations with the military power to conquer entire planets. Mega-corporations so powerful that they can defy the Galactic Senate. Mega-corporations with their ownsenators. You remember this guy, right?

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    Lott Dod, senator of the Trade Federation. He objects to the Senator’s statements.

    You remember what he was objecting to? As Senator Palpatine put it, “We have become caught in a dispute you’re all well aware of, which began right here with the taxation of trade routes …”

    You caught that when you saw Episode I, right? The Republic is pushing back against the power of the mega-corporations, and they don’t like it.

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    They really don’t like it.

    Like, just think about that. Imagine if Microsoft had objected to the government’s antitrust suit against it back in the ’90s by taking over the entire state of Washington. And imagine if the feds’ answer was to do nothing.

    One might suspect, in that circumstance, that the American republic was slightlydysfunctional.

    Episode I is all about establishing that the Senate simply does not work. Even its staunchest supporters (like Padme Amidala) agree that it doesn’t work; they simply think that it can be fixed from the inside. We see this theme repeated over and over again in The Clone Wars as well: a planet calls to the Republic for help, the Senate either can’t or won’t provide it; the desperate planet turns to the Separatists, who actually can provide the help necessary. The Republic eventually intercedes, the CIS gets all evil strongman, no-you-can’t-change-sides about it, the CIS looks like the bad guy to the kids while the adults go, “Well, actually, you did pick sides in a war …”

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    Asked the CIS for help to feed his starving, not-self-sufficient planet. Actually got the food.

    We don’t know exactly what economic impact the CIS systems seceding would have had on the Republic, but we can guess it wouldn’t be pretty. Dooku says on Geonosis that he is confident that “another ten thousand systems will rally to our cause.” Another ten thousand. We don’t know precisely how many systems the Republic has, but another ten thousand sounds like the CIS comprised a very significant chunk of the Republic, and a state whose commerce was already in thrall to mega-corporations probably doesn’t have a lot of ability to absorb economic losses. Simply letting the CIS go probably would have meant phenomenal economic disruption to the Republic.

    On top of that, the CIS gave the mega-corporations another state to deal with. If the Republic is the only game in town, there’s a natural limit to just how much they can squeeze it. If the CIS succeeded, though, those mega-corporations could go “overseas,” as it were. Now remember that these are corporations that the Republic is desperately tied up with, to the point that the Trade Federation can conquer an entire planet and the Republic’s response is “Well, now, let’s not be rash; we don’t want to antagonize them …”

    In other words, even if the Republic could afford to let the CIS systems go (which it probably couldn’t, not really), it absolutely could not afford to let the mega-corporations that kept it afloat go overseas. We see in The Clone Wars that the mega-corporations are quite willing to take advantage of the war to squeeze the Republic, to the point that senators like Amidala and Bail Organa warn that they will literally bankrupt the federal government.

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    And so attempting to reconquer the worlds of the CIS makes hard economic sense. Underlying the story of Star Wars is a story of a society’s failure to keep its government sufficiently independent of its corporations. This has actually been something on George’s mind more or less from the beginning. Watch these Episode IV deleted scenes and pay attention to the conversation between Biggs and Luke, about the Empire nationalizing things like the merchant marine.



    Takes on a different flavor when you remember that those fleets, and the mega-corporations they belonged to, were antagonists in the Clone Wars.

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    Wow, the whole Rebel Alliance takes on whole new meanings with this and when you combine it with the deleted scenes. And hey - finally got to see where Luke new that X-Wing pilot from!

    Some people thought the Rebels were fighting against the Sith at the head of Empire? Nah, they were more concerned with Empire confiscating their businesses, regulating their lives and taxing them. The Jedis and Sith just stumble in on it all while everything is told through the eyes of those two droids and the family who they mostly spent their time with.
     
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    This is one of the reasons I HATE that every major Star Wars story follows the same group of about 6 people on a dozen or so major worlds. There is an entire GALAXY there. Millions of planets and cultures and trillions of people, and we get the Skywalker and Solo families over and over again.
     
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    Feel free to hate.

    Some of the greatest book series I know tell a story of a single family line over generations as they go through various hardship and historical events.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Under_the_North_Star_trilogy


    How about James Bond? Essentially it's telling the story of an ever-young single agent over the span of 50+ movies that have no story arc whatsoever.
     
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    I did not say there no great stories that follow a single family in all of fiction ever. Star Wars even has some good ones. Jacen Solo has a fantastic character arc. I did say that I think the Star Wars universe is vastly underdeveloped compared to its potential, and I would like to see it from a normal person's viewpoint, not a super human space wizard.

    I loved Finn's character in episode 7 because of this. Not only is he not super human, he starts the film perfectly happy to abandon the main quest and run for it. He develops into a hero over the course of the story. That's a good character arc.

    I'm really looking forward to Rogue One for the same reason.
     
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    i have a feeling the movie is going to be seriously excellent. i'd love for star wars to have to same breadth as star trek going forward. excellent TV already exists, books have always been amazing but beyond serious nerds they never hit mainstream. just awesome to have more stories beyond the skywalker soap opera (as glorious as it is). about time such an amazing, fully realized universe really got the full AAA treatment it deserves
     
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    You know what would be great? Bethesda making an open world Star Wars game. You could have an option to be a Force user, or just a regular human/whatever species they include. You could join the Empire, join the Rebellion, stay independent, become friendly with other smaller factions (smugglers, bounty hunters, crime lords, etc). Basically KOTOR II with less scripted story and no compulsion to become a Jedi/Sith. Plus, you know, Todd Howard.
     
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    Sheo and I were talking last night and he is on to something, if they ever made an x-wing or tie fighter game for vr much like House of the Dying Sun the sales of both the game and the vr headsets would be insane.
     
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