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Discussion in 'Campaign - 33XX: The Corporate Century' started by Dihm, Oct 16, 2016.

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  1. Dihm

    Dihm Speaker of the Word Staff Member Gothi SC Thane

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    Oh, one question. Since I'm building it as an Omni mech, do I need to pay the extra 600k for 'OmniPod Hardpoints' or do I just get those?
     
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    Tzeentch Bigfoot Hirdman

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    Is it a stock omnimech or are you converting it to one from a secondline/Innersphere mech?
     
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    New design
     
    Dihm, Oct 21, 2016
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    Tzeentch Bigfoot Hirdman

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    Alright one second, yes there is a charge for it, possibly more I didn't take a real good look at what you changed.

    First off there's the possibility of the Clan Tech Tax. "If you are Adding ANY clan tech" regardless of how much( 18 Lasers, 2 ballistics,1 clan targ comp., switching to x# clan heat sinks, etc) there's a flat charge of unit mass x20k cbills...which you pay once per retrofit when you add clan tech.

    I can't recall if the omni mech upgrade requires that tax since I have the tax on my own design for other tech.

    The omni upgrade itself is 600k + a required Overhaul upgrade which is unit mass x 30k.
    So at 35 tons that's 1,650,000 cbills if the clan tech tax doesn't apply.



    If I were you I'd buy only one of those mechs and REALLY kit it out and then look at the drones magnus has available. Mostly because I don't want to pay mercenaries a cut to pilot my mechs for me and I don't want to put my operator at risk by having her drive the second mech instead. Drones are much more affordable and less risk taking even if you don't directly control them, unles you spring for the cockpit upgrade that allows it.

    But it's up to you really, that IS a nice looking mech and I see the advantage in two of them piloted by skilled lancers over 3-4 armed drones.
     
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    Dihm Speaker of the Word Staff Member Gothi SC Thane

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    Well, I'm not UPGRADING... This would be a brand new type of 35 ton Lancer Omni mech. So I guess the Omni cost is lumped in to the purchase price? Cause it hecking expensive
     
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    Tzeentch Bigfoot Hirdman

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    Oh shit, you mean an ENITRELY new mech... uhh let me think... Hold on I'm gonna see if there's a 35 tonner that's already omni we can convert on the cheap and maybe squeeze a few more cbills out of it.

    I'm not sure on the pricing of straight up designing a new mech.
     
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    Dihm Speaker of the Word Staff Member Gothi SC Thane

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    I think I ended up making my own because there wasn't a 35 ton with XL, Endo, and Ferro... Or something
     
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    Tzeentch Bigfoot Hirdman

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    Yeah, I see that now. Are you going with that price from what megamek labs gives you for it or are you going by the calculating off of the economy and upgrades ruleset Magnus came up with? It could actually be much cheaper to take an cheap innersphere 35 tonner and convert it, save about a million per mech. I'm gonna run some calculations for ya, brb.
     
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    Dihm Speaker of the Word Staff Member Gothi SC Thane

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    That was a clean sheet MegaMerkz Lab price.

    Huh. Adder checks the boxes for 7 mil. Would need a new engine though. And functional arms with real hands
     
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    Dihm Speaker of the Word Staff Member Gothi SC Thane

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    Morrigan is almost perfect, engine slightly too big. Also ugly as sin like all the rest. Why are all the 35s besides the Firebee atrocities?

    Edit: Okay. Spirit is right Tech, structure, armor, and engine. Even has the 11 Double sinks, ECM, and Streak SRM4
     
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    Alright, I gotcha covered and shaved a few million off the price


    'Pack Hunter 1' 30 ton clan mech - 3,206,840 cbills
    Overhaul +Omni
    900,000
    600,000
    total 1.5 million
    Clan tech tax
    600,000
    Total 2.1 million cbills
    Engine upgrade
    900,000
    Total 3 million cbills
    Overhaul + engine upgrade means a you can upscale/downscale your mech by 5 tons .
    30 Tons -> 35 Tons

    Total cost
    Approx. 6.2 million cbills per mech

    Now just rip that ER PPC out of the Packhunter and slap whatever loadout you want on it since that's covered under the overhaul.
    Then, lock in that center torsos and Boom, you got your first variant for your omnimech.


    Also I believe magnus ruled that the supercharger is an hard engine part so you were gonna need that engine upgrade for it anyways.
     
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    Hell you should have enough left over to straight up buy a second variant so you can swap and specialize between missions. Or all those nice lancer equipment upgrades you wanted, even a second mech or two.
     
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    Ooooooooooooohhhh, and the Pack Hunter looks bad ass too! I like and unlike and liked your post a few times
     
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    Tzeentch Bigfoot Hirdman

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    I does have the right amount of BFG.
    [​IMG]

    The packhunter 2 compounds on that and adds big honkin CLAWS! Overall the design is just.... its just great yknow?

    [​IMG]
     
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    Dihm Speaker of the Word Staff Member Gothi SC Thane

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    Now I just need to factor in all the Lancer Equipment. Change to a torso cockpit, add the Neural Interface, adding the ChemJel armor, Lancer Power Armor, etc
     
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    Heh, it just occurred to me that you could rename it the "Pack Leader"
     
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    Or the Pack Hunter 'Alpha'
    :glee:
     
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    I think I'll buy one myself when I recoup the cost off my mech. It'll make a nice reserve, it really does look like a go to mech for any lancer. "Cheap", strong, and fast.
     
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    While I'm doing the Engine, I could do the Torso Cockpit and Neural Interface? Well all that other shit I guess, since I'm in for Overhaul...
     
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    Oh yeah. Whatever it is you're covered buddy. This is a complete factory level rework. Just remember once it's an omni mech you can't change that torso cockpit back to the head... not easily anyways.
     
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